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请教 周五黄金白银都创了历史性的单日最大跌幅 发生了什么?

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发表于 2011-9-24 01:43:45 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
周五  黄金白银都创了历史性的单日最大跌幅   非美只不过小幅的调整  这是什么原因造成的呢?。。。。谢谢前辈指教。。。。
发表于 2011-9-24 04:54:05 | 显示全部楼层
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    You may refer the following comments:


A.M. Kitco Metals Roundup: Comex Gold Sharply Lower on Follow-Through Selling Pressure; Technical Damage Inflicted

23 September 2011, 8:15 a.m.
By Jim Wyckoff
Of Kitco News
http://www.kitco.com/


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(Kitco News) - Comex December gold futures prices are trading sharply lower again Friday and hit a fresh six-week low. Strong follow-through selling pressure from big losses suffered Thursday is featured. Significant near-term technical damage has now been inflicted in gold, while silver has absorbed more serious chart damage. Strong gains in the U.S. dollar index recently, along with a large drop in crude oil prices, have worked to put solid downside price pressure on the precious metals markets. December gold last traded down $45.00 an ounce at $1,697.00 an ounce. Spot gold last traded down $43.10 an ounce at $1,693.50. December Comex silver last traded down $3.95 at $32.63 an ounce.

Many traders and investors in many markets are scared. They are wondering what will happen during the session Friday, during the weekend and come next Monday morning. Many traders have adopted a "when in doubt, get out" mentality due to the keener uncertainty in the market place at present. Margin calls to traders from their brokers are also forcing liquidation in the market place. There's an old trading adage that says when there is "blood in the street," that's the time to be a buyer. It can be argued the market place is seeing, or is close to seeing, blood in the street for many individual markets, including the precious metals.

The world stock markets are seeing more selling pressure Friday, following strong losses Thursday, and in the wake of the unimpressive FOMC statement from the U.S. Fed on Wednesday, and amid weak economic data coming out of Europe and China. All of the above are feeding notions that the world's major economies are on the verge of another recession, or may be already there.

The U.S. dollar index is trading firmer Friday morning after hitting a fresh seven-month high Thursday. Perceived safe-haven moves into the greenback from investors worldwide has been featured the past couple days. The dollar index bulls have the solid near-term technical advantage. At the moment, the stronger U.S. dollar index is a major bearish factor for the gold market.

Crude oil futures prices are trading solidly lower again early Friday and hit a fresh six-week low of $77.80 a barrel overnight. Crude oil bears have downside momentum and that's also a significantly bearish factor for the precious metals markets.

The European Union sovereign debt situation remains not far from the front burner of the market place. There is now increasing talk in the market place that Greece will default on its debt sooner rather than later. While talks on the matter are ongoing among EU and IMF officials, no concrete, viable plan for Greece has been produced. The EU debt situation remains an underlying bullish underlying factor for gold, but it's likely that the present problems regarding EU debt have likely been mostly factored into present market prices.

There is no major U.S. economic data due for release Friday.

The London A.M. gold fixing was $1,730.00 versus the previous P.M. fixing of $1,722.00.

Technically, December gold futures bears have quickly gained downside momentum as prices Friday fell to a fresh six-week low. Importantly, the gold market bulls were unable to defend what was strong technical support at the August spike low of $1,705.40. That has produced significant near-term technical damage to also suggest a bearish double-top reversal pattern has formed on the daily bar chart. Gold prices are also now in a three-week-old downtrend on the daily bar chart. This week has seen the near-term technical picture turn bleaker for the bulls, but the longer-term technical posture of the gold market has been little affected. Bulls' next upside technical objective is to produce a close above solid technical resistance at $1,800.00. Bears' next near-term downside price objective is closing prices below solid technical support at $1,600.00. First resistance is seen at $1,705.40 and then at $1,725.00. First support is seen at the overnight low of $1,687.20 and then at $1,675.00.

December silver prices hit a fresh seven-month low of $32.305 overnight and very serious near-term technical damage has been inflicted. Prices are in a steep five-week-old downtrend on the daily bar chart. Bulls' next upside price objective is producing a close above strong technical resistance at $37.00 an ounce. The next downside price breakout objective for the bears is closing prices below solid technical support at $30.00. First resistance is seen at $33.00 and then at $34.00. Next support is seen at the overnight low of $32.305 and then at $32.00.

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By Jim Wyckoff, contributing to Kitco News; jwyckoff@kitco.com


与老师之前分析的相似,股市及相关市场的暴跌必然会导致已获利的金银市场了结获利以弥补其它市场,但是来的这么迅猛,又是在周五,对于中国投资者来说更是措手不及的。
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发表于 2011-9-24 04:55:30 | 显示全部楼层
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有没有哪位仁兄同时在美国和中国同时开户操作黄金白银投资,以克服市场时差的问题?
也希望老师能够给一些建议。
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发表于 2011-9-24 05:08:56 | 显示全部楼层
回复 2# Flik


    以下是最新消息:

CME Group Raises Comex Gold Margins By 21.5%, Silver Margins By 15.6%
23 September 2011, 4:55 p.m.
By Debbie Carlson
Of Kitco News
http://www.kitco.com/

(Kitco News) - CME Group Raises Comex Gold Margins By 21.5%, Silver Margins By 15.6% .


估计上金所下周也会有相应举措。
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发表于 2011-9-24 05:14:20 | 显示全部楼层
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METALS OUTLOOK: Possible Rebound For Gold Next Week, But Nervousness Remains

23 Spetember 2011, 2:34 p.m.
By Debbie Carlson
Of Kitco News
http://www.kitco.com/

(Kitco News) - Gold prices could rebound next week as bargain hunters seek to buy the metal up at prices not seen since August, but not everyone is convinced gold will be able to rally from the sharp break it suffered this week.
Some technical chart analysts said in the short-term damage has been done to gold prices and further weakness is expected. Those who see lower prices are also skeptical that global leaders will take much action beyond pronouncement to stabilize frail outlooks.
The global rout of all markets caught precious metals markets in the whirlpool of sinking prices. The sell off this week was ignited when the Federal Reserve sought to flatten the yield curve by selling short-term debt and buying long-term securities. Although that move was expected, the Fed’s statement of “significant risks” to the U.S. economy shook investor confidence. Combined with a negative manufacturing reading out of China and persistent problems in Europe regarding a possible Greek default, investors started selling without discrimination. Only U.S. Treasurys and the dollar rose.
Gold fell in this break as investors sought to sell winning positions to their raise cash or meet margin calls in other markets. Any nervous buyers who had profits sought to pocket those as prices were caught in the downdraft. Of all the precious metals, silver saw the greatest losses.
The most-active December gold contract on the Comex division of the New York Mercantile Exchange settled at $1,639.80 an ounce, down 9.6% on the week. December silver settled at $30.101an ounce, down 26% on the week.
In the Kitco News Gold Survey, out of 34 participants, 23 responded this week. Of those 23 participants, 12 see prices up, while 10 see prices down, and one sees prices sideways or unchanged. Market participants include bullion dealers, investment banks, futures traders and technical chart analysts.
Several of the market watchers who see firmer prices said they expect the sharp sell off in prices, particularly for gold, to be met by bargain hunters and that could send prices sharply higher. The key is to watch and see how gold acts in the next few weeks to get a sense of direction.
“Looking ahead, it will be very interesting to see how gold responds - many investors have craved a buying opportunity (particularly Indian traders) and the recent fall creates a monumental window of opportunity to get in on gold. On the other hand price volatility of this sort is typically deeply destructive to investor confidence. It remains to be seen which motive will win out between the two,” said Ross Norman, chief executive officer of Sharps Pixley.
Norman said for much of 2011 gold did not dwell at lower levels, “showing it had strength in depth,” now investors must wait and see if it happens gain. He feels a price floor is being established.
Charles Nedoss, senior market strategist with Olympus Futures, said perhaps gold will “catch a bounce,” but he said judging by the way gold acted on Friday, remaining weaker even as the dollar gave up some of its gains, wasn’t a positive sign for higher prices.
He said the fact the Fed did not engage in another round of quantitative easing was negative for gold. Also, he said equities were holding up better than he expected, with the S&P 500 index staying above 1100 might be a sign that investors wanted to hold their equity positions at the expense of their commodity positions.
This weekend market participants will watch for any action out of world leaders regarding the break in markets and the wobbly shape of Greek finances. A Group of 20 communiqué released on Friday morning suggested that governments will take all necessary actions to preserve the stability of banking systems and financial markets as required.
Not everyone is convinced. “Color us skeptical. For one, they provided no time line for action and in the meantime the EFSF (European Financial Stability Facility) will need to be ratified by all members of the (eurozone) before policy makers can make any changes to the current structure of the facility,” say the analysts at Brown Brothers Harriman.
The firm says only been a few European governments that have ratified the implementation of the EFSF, and others are not hurrying up any schedule to vote on it. “To us, that indicates that European policy makers are again unlikely to take decisive action to vote on the implementation and potential enhancement of the EFSF, which implies further downside potential for risk appetite,” they add.
That’s putting pressure on the euro and allowing the dollar to gain. The strength of the dollar against a host of currencies is weighing on all commodities, gold included, since commodities are dollar-denominated.
The drop in commodities, in particular the industrial commodities like crude oil, copper, silver and the platinum group metals reflects the slowing economic growth globally, market watchers said. If this is the case, that is anti-inflationary, this gives investors one less reason to buy gold in the short-term.
The lack of action is not limited to Europe. Analysts at Credit Agricole-CIB point to the divisive U.S. government as another problem. “At the same time as the G20 was promising big things, the U.S. Congress was displaying the kind of fractious mindset, voting down a spending bill on partisan grounds, that has the market fretting about the ability of the US to side-step a recession. If policy cannot co-operate on a national level, can we really expect co-ordination on an international G20 scale,” they said.
Tom Pawlicki, analyst at MFGlobal, said day-to-day movements for the markets will be a “tough call” as bounces from sharp sell offs are possible, and support could come from potential intervention in the economy by policymakers to prevent a recession. Further, uncertainty over events in Greece remains a factor.
“Over the next few weeks, however, we think that prices will continue to fall and eventually test the $1,580-$1,650 range,” he said, adding those levels come from the 62% retracement of the July-August uptrend and from the May 2nd high.
Jim Wyckoff, technical analyst at Kitco News, said short-term technical charts have turned bearish, although long term charts are still bullish. He said the break through $1,705.40 was significant. Support for gold is seen at $1,600.
For silver, Olympus Futures’ Nedoss said that market “has thrown in the towel,” especially after falling through the 200-day moving average around $36.07. Silver saw the worst performance of any precious metal as the industrial side and investor nervousness drags it down.
Wyckoff said “very serious” near-term technical damage was done to silver futures. Resistance for December silver is at $33 and support at $30.
By Debbie Carlson of Kitco News dcarlson@kitco.com



周五中国尾市白银T+D跌停了,按照目前的价格和计算方式,下周一是否也会跌停呢?五月的那一幕似乎在重演,但是情况不同,目前的200日均线在36.07, 一下子刷到30只能说白银的市场太小了
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发表于 2011-9-24 07:27:33 | 显示全部楼层
我感觉应该是欧债危机已经到了尾声,避险资金开始从贵金属、国债等资产‘早一点离开’。昨天美国长债收益率大涨,只不过债券的盘子太大,涨幅看上去没那么惊人罢了。
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发表于 2011-9-24 07:30:16 | 显示全部楼层
US Bonds Close Change % Chg   Date
$TYX 30 Year T-Bond Yield 28.71 +0.85 +3.05  2011-09-23, 15:00
$TNX 10 Year T-Note Yield 18.08 +0.93 +5.42  2011-09-23, 15:00
$FVX 5 Year T-Note Yield 8.49 +0.77 +9.97  2011-09-23, 15:00
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发表于 2011-9-24 08:30:08 | 显示全部楼层
请教老师,希腊美国都开始大幅削减,是否大环境发生了变化世界范围的进入了大通缩期,而非大通胀。谢谢老师
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发表于 2011-9-24 08:32:29 | 显示全部楼层
请教老师,希腊美国都开始大幅削减财政赤字,是否大环境发生了变化世界范围的进入了大通缩期,而非大通胀。谢谢老师
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发表于 2011-9-24 09:15:01 | 显示全部楼层
回复 4# Flik


工行反正是要提保证金 。 从23%提到26%好像。
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发表于 2011-9-24 09:22:52 | 显示全部楼层
回复 1# 勤沙


  大盘不需要解释。搞笑的是,昨天晚上看湖南卫视的“天天向上”不记得是哪一期的了,非直播的,一个5~6岁的小孩也说要投资黄金。
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发表于 2011-9-24 11:56:08 | 显示全部楼层
大众总喜欢问原因
                  -----livermore
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发表于 2011-9-24 11:57:43 | 显示全部楼层
完整的说法是:大众总喜欢问原因。原因肯定是有的,只不过不一定马上能知道。

因为论坛大户毕竟不多,所以具体原因很难马上知道。有人卖出或者平仓是一定的,卖出或者平仓的原因或者时机选择又是每个个人的事情,一不小心合在一起了吧。
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发表于 2011-9-24 12:01:23 | 显示全部楼层
现在市场的焦点好像已经从欧债转到全球衰退了
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发表于 2011-9-24 13:15:30 | 显示全部楼层
78月份涨太快了 回调一下正常
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发表于 2011-9-24 16:02:11 | 显示全部楼层
78月份涨太快了 回调一下正常
hua568 发表于 2011-9-24 13:15


对白银来说,应该是今年涨的太快了,所以调整一下,就把全年的涨幅抹掉了...
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发表于 2011-9-24 20:08:10 | 显示全部楼层
回复 1# 勤沙


    获利平仓+对冲+放空进场
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发表于 2011-9-24 23:33:26 | 显示全部楼层
比找原因更重要的是尽量知晓目前所处的季节,秋末冬临,天冷了,注意加衣,少些畅快的裸奔,温度急剧变化时,防范为主。

周四白天心血来潮,之前该跌不跌,想看看有没可能撑住或缓跌,再试验下铜银对冲组合思路,先进了小单白银多单,组合还没搞完,晚上开盘看报价还以为价格报错了,立马止损,转身,然后周五撤出白银战场,或许撤早了,这并不重要,本身是试探。看清楚形势再定战役,现在可关注的市场机会大把,慢慢来。

要畅游,等天好了,太阳出来时,再好好耍。
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发表于 2011-9-24 23:41:38 | 显示全部楼层
比找原因更重要的是尽量知晓目前所处的季节,秋末冬临,天冷了,注意加衣,少些畅快的裸奔,温度急剧变化时 ...
water 发表于 2011-9-24 23:33


很景仰仁兄的境界,从你的名字就可以感到对中华文化理解之深。
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发表于 2011-9-24 23:58:15 | 显示全部楼层
可别这样说,这笔交易本身是有问题的,最先很想单独做空,铜在半中间,一时下不了决心下单,想着白银可以晚上机动处置,而且临近周末,谁知市场丢出个什么砸蛋。夜路走多了,怕见鬼不是,只好该低头就低头。

这个名字很随意取的,不好深究哦,凡事就怕认真不是。。
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